A second "Black Book" belonging to Jeffrey Epstein is up for auction and Glenn is considering buying it. The book has reportedly been verified as Epstein's and contains the names and information of many famous people he either met or did business with. Glenn, who is preserving artifacts that show both the good and bad sides of history, explains why he has debated entering the bidding pool. And one thing could make this artifact even more disturbing than it already is: "Will we ever find out if Epstein was an operative for our government or other governments?"
TranscriptBelow is a rush transcript that may contain errors
GLENN: So I am -- you know, I collect American people history. And I collect it to preserve it.
And I want to tell the whole story of American history. The good and the bad. Probably the best example is, we have a lot of stuff from Patton. And he was an amazing guy. But we also have one letter from Patton. Where he is a monster. And I mean a monster.
No better than the Nazis. And, you know, we all have these conflicts in us. Some bigger than other. And we wanted to make sure we showed both sides of Patton.
That we don't make anybody into a hero.
Without showing this is the heroic stuff they did.
And this is the questionable or really bad stuff they did.
Jeffrey Epstein's black book is up for auction. Now, this is not the book that he had when he died. This is a book from around the year 2000, that he lost. Somebody had it. They found it in the street of New York. It's been verified that it is his handwriting, and it is his book.
They picked it up, and then just put it in a box and left it in a storage, you know, unit. And ever since this Epstein thing has been going on. They're like, I have to find that book. I have to find that book. Where did I put that book?
They went through their storage unit and found it. Then they brought it to Alexander Historical Auctions, which is a really good auction house.
And they -- they put it up, with unredacted names and numbers. You can't see it. You can go and, you know, visit the book, if you're interested in buying it. And look through it.
You can't take pictures of it or anything else.
But the black book is for sale. They're saying, it will go between 100 and $200,000.
Now, my question is: Is this -- is this just a passing big -- but still a passing blip.
Like I'm not really interested in the Lindbergh trial. Who cares, you know what I mean?
STU: Right.
GLENN: It was a big thing at the time.
Is this a big thing just at the time, and what would change that I think is, was he or will we ever find out, he was an operative for our government or other governments?
PAT: Hmm. I don't know. That's kind of the rumor right now, right?
CIA.
GLENN: Yeah. What is your thought on Epstein's book, having it. I mean, I would love to. I would love to have it, just to read the names on the air.
PAT: Yeah.
STU: You would have to believe, if there was George Soros. Like we already know about it.
GLENN: That page would be missing. Shockingly all the S's are missing. And the G's.
STU: Right. So I think that maybe there won't be a massive story in it. Though it's an incredible --
GLENN: Well, if we were really considering buying it. I would send somebody up to look through it. And tell me, is there anything in it worth -- you know, if it's like "Squeaky" Fromme. I don't really care.
STU: I would care. If "Squeaky" Fromme had done it, that would be crazy.
GLENN: Yeah. That would be nuts.
STU: That's an interesting -- is it just -- here's a guy who did some really terrible things. Like Jeffrey Dahmer merchandise. You're not buying that.
GLENN: Yeah, I'm not buying that. I'm not buying Michael Jackson stuff.
PAT: Would you buy O.J.'s stuff? Because that was pretty big.
STU: Yeah.
PAT: That wasn't just a flash in the pan. That was pretty big.
GLENN: If it's something pretty big. O.J. Simpson baseball card.
STU: Baseball card. Wow. That's incredible.
GLENN: Shut up. Football card.
STU: Because I think O.J. is on the level of Lindbergh. Historically. To us, right now, it obviously is a lot bigger, because it happened in the '90s. Fifty years.
GLENN: The only thing that would be worth than that, is somehow or another, finding a way to capture the -- the African-American response to O.J. Setting him free because he was -- he was finally able to beat the man.
STU: Right. And, by the way, the jurors from the trial have said that is what they did. This is not Glenn making things up.
GLENN: Right. So if you could capture that, because we're having the opposite right now.
STU: Hmm.
GLENN: You know, people not looking at the facts of anything, because they want somebody to win. One way or another.
And so that is -- that is something to happen with yours. And so it would tell that story. But I don't know how I would capture that.
STU: Remember, the Epstein thing is tied into powerful people.
Prince Andrew. There's certainly. I don't know if he's in that book, per se.
I will say, my instinct is, yes. He should have been on it. Largely because I think one of the things you do at the museum. And as part of your mission statement over there is to preserve history that will be erased.
And, man, the Epstein thing falls directly in that category. Like we know about it right now. Kind of. I don't think we know the whole story.
And the powers that be, will do everything they can, to make sure that goes down some memory hole, that we don't remember it. Like the Lindbergh case. Right?
They want that to go away. So actually preserving some of that history. I think is -- is a good use of -- of resources.
Of course, if there's nothing interesting in it, I suppose, maybe that's not the case.
But, man, I don't know. It seems like we still don't know the story on that one.
PAT: But won't they let you see the whole thing before you buy it?
GLENN: Yes. You can go up right now, and make an appointment.
And you can go up -- I was thinking about sending Jason up there, and you can go up, and make an appointment. And seeing it. See it.
See what's in it.
You can't take a photograph of it.
PAT: Uh-huh.
GLENN: And, you know, no copies of it. But you can come back and then he could tell me, this is what's in it. These are the kinds of the names that are in it. That he could remember.
PAT: Uh-huh.
STU: And you need someone with a photographic memory.
GLENN: I know. Do we have a listener with a photographic memory? That would be great.
STU: I will say, it seems like they're showing it to people. And we don't have any leakages on the actual story.
GLENN: Well, they just announce it had yesterday, I think.
STU: Okay. At some point, you think the story would leak out. If there was something amazing in it.
GLENN: Not necessarily. Because if you were qualified to go see it.
You're a buyer. And if there's -- you don't want anybody to know.
STU: Until after you have it. Right? That's good.
GLENN: They leaked from over a few lines, to ten or 15 lines, or more, each. Each of the entries have several more names included, additionally 94 names bear black hand applied checkmarks. Five have been highlighted in yellow. All five names, including that of President Donald Trump, interesting that that one is out. Are well-recognized financial and industrial figures. The significance of the checked and highlighted names is unknown. The details included in the vast majority of the entries are -- are most extensive.
Epstein not only includes the name, address, and telephone number of his contact, but in most cases, also adds other residential addresses and numbers, contact information of family member, secretaries, media employees, associates, cell phone numbers.
And at least one instance, contacts girlfriend's number. There is a good deal of information hinting at Epstein's sordid past, including the very first entry, contact information for the front desk, and five apartment numbers, corresponding with telephone numbers at 301 East 66 Street.
This address was home for many young models, girlfriends, pilots, and lawyers, associated with Jeffrey Epstein.
Book contains entries for former Ford models, CEO Kate Ford, as well as an entry for masseuse, which lists 24 women's names and numbers, with pager numbers as well.
The history of this criminal relic is fascinating in the mid-1990s. Musician living in Manhattan discovered the book lying on Fifth Avenue's sidewalk in midtown. She eventually put it in storage. It was not until 2020, while cleaning out her storage unit, that she realized it belonged to Jeffrey Epstein. She reached out to several media outlets, not this one, who failed to react. Assuming that the book was a copy, she listed it on e Bay, where it was purchased by a graduate -- how is this possible?
PAT: Who is it purchased by?
GLENN: A graduate student in the northeast who has possessed it ever since.
PAT: For how much? Do we know for how much?
GLENN: No. Don't know.
2004, Epstein's black book was discovered by the FBI and used in legal proceedings. But this copy which came to light after Epstein's death was not considered as evidentiary importance at the time of its discovery. According to Business Insider. The 1731 names contained in the two volumes together, do not appear in the 2004 book. During its six-month investigation, Business Insider journalist had respected forensic document examiners examine the book to determine its authenticity. After a researcher looked at the binding and the data within, the examiners determined, there are indications or evidences suggest that the Q1 address book predated the online version of the address book and was in existence in the late 1990s. A copy of that was available.
PAT: So there's 1700 names?
GLENN: Names.
PAT: But we don't know why they're named?
GLENN: Nope.
PAT: That's interesting.
GLENN: What they released. And it's interesting again.
They released Donald Trump and Alan Dershowitz. As names on this.
PAT: Oh, my gosh. Of course. Of course.
GLENN: Of course. Of course. Donald Trump. Alan Dershowitz. Frédéric Fekkai.
Do you know who that is?
PAT: No.
GLENN: Christie Hefner. And Edward Kennedy.
PAT: Huh.
STU: Frédéric Fekkai, French hair stylist and entrepreneur.
GLENN: Of course. Well, who doesn't -- a French hairstylist in their black book.
STU: Makes a bunch of products though. Seems like a big -- has a big company. Making stuff, it appears.
GLENN: What is your first stop, yes or no?
PAT: Wow. I should say yes.
GLENN: Should we look at it.
PAT: Yeah. I would look at it. And then depending on the names.
GLENN: What is its significance in history, long-term.
PAT: What dirtbags we had in office, I guess. I'm sure you're going to find out some things about people, right?
Although, it doesn't say why they're in the book.
GLENN: No.
STU: We know the Alan Dershowitz thing. We already know, the person who accused him said, maybe it wasn't him.
GLENN: He was in there, because he was the attorney.
STU: So not necessarily going to happen. You don't know if it's going to be some major story that will change history.
GLENN: I'm sorry. We do also know that Donald Trump threw him out. Right? Of Mar-a-Lago.
STU: Yeah. They had a falling out, long time ago.
GLENN: Big time. Because I guess he was trying to recruit some of the females. And Donald Trump said, get out. Don't come back.
STU: The Trump thing is -- I think that's a complete disconnect from the Epstein story, long, long ago.
PAT: Otherwise, they would have made political hay out of that a long time.
STU: The Clinton one is much more significant.
GLENN: Yeah.
STU: And I think the Bill Gates one too. Some of his comments have been really weird about that.
PAT: Really weird. So are his wife's.
STU: Yeah.
GLENN: I think Bill Gates has flown under the radar as just a weird, quirky guy for so long. I think he may end up being one of the true villains of our time.
PAT: I think it's quite possible.
GLENN: Uh-huh. The things he wants to do on population role.
PAT: Yeah.
GLENN: His connections there. His divorce from his wife who was like, get away from Jeffrey Epstein, we know who he is.
And he wouldn't get away from Jeffrey Epstein. And they divorced. That's kind of a big deal. Kind of a big deal.
STU: Yeah. When he's occasionally been pressed on that, it's not gone well for Gates. I mean, we don't know what happened there, but something weird went on.
PAT: Very. And he stole all the technology from Zerox in the first place anyway. So...